I like throwing a chatterbait especially with stained water but for me they worked great near grass. But I moved to Maryville tn this year and ft. Loudon is my home lake now and there isn't grass that I found yet. So I haven't had much luck. The b.a.s.s. wats bar open was just a couple weeks OK and them boys were having success throwing it. So I don't know

Lil man is my co angler he don't miss a trip to the lake